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Fall Fling wrap-up I

Sep 29
2009
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The first weekend of ABD’s Fall Fling enjoyed the final gasp of summer, a gasp that turned into a brisk, gusty wheeze Sunday with enough wind to make a flat, narrow road race fun, hard and interesting.

In 1/2/3 action the players to watch have been Geargrinder’s Chad Hartley and Ryan White and ABD’s Ryan Freund and John Meyers. Everyone else, yours truly included, just hoped to cover one of their moves, hang on in the break and maybe get 3rd.

In Saturday’s criterium, the winning move was Hartley, Freund and David Polin (WDT-Allvoi), with Hartley, 2008’s Superweek points champion, having no trouble with the sprint. On Sunday the final break was larger and didn’t finally come together until after 40 hard, stop-and-go miles, but again it was Hartley taking it, this time ahead of Meyers.

Meanwhile some 3’s have raced well with the big boys, including Joel Friedman (Bicycle Heaven), who won Saturday’s field sprint, and Andrew Otte (Purdue) and Ronald Reagan winner Scott Rosenfield (IS Corp), who survived Sunday’s break. Now Friedman, Rosenfield, Andy Powell (Project 5) and James Bird (IS Corp) are in a four-way tie in the Cat 3 overall heading into this weekend’s time trial and circuit race.

There was a spot of drama in Saturday’s 40+ race, where Rob Kelley (Bicycle Heaven) appeared to have won out of a three-man break (above). Officials ruled, however, that Kelley had not sprinted in a straight line, relegating him to third and giving the victory to Mark Swartzendruber (Verizon Wireless). Swartzendruber again made the break on Sunday and thanks to a 4th place finish, finishing behind winner Brian Harris (PYOC), now enjoys a four-point lead in the overall, a lead we should expect will be padded in Saturday’s time trial.

Tom Doughty (Amgen/Giant Masters) was the top 55+ both days and is doubling up and holding his own in the 40+.  Mike Jones (PACT/Dish Network) broke away from Sunday’s 50+ field and stayed out solo for more than 20 miles to take the win. He’s now down a point in the overall to John Fleckenstein (Team Mack).

Jeffrey Angstadt (South Chicago Wheelmen) is not a name I’ve seen much this summer but he leads the 4’s ahead of Tim Speciale (Bicycle Heaven). Joe Berenyi (Endure It!) swept the weekend’s citizens races and has the inside track there, while the women’s races remain tight: Debbie Dust (PACT/Dish Network) and Jessi Prinner (ABD) are tied in the open, and just two points separates the top three contenders in the 4’s.

Full criterium results. Full road race results. Overall standings.



Criterium reports
Stephen Butler (Wheelfast; 4): “Suddenly found myself at the tail end of the field. In my head I heard Fred Willard saying, ‘Hey, wha’ happened?’”



Joey Iuliano (Purdue; 1/2): “The same guys who were at the Illinois road race were here. That means the goal was the same: Follow them.”



Adam Leibman (ABD; 3): “I sat in and did my best to go as fast as everyone around me, knowing full well that any time spent chasing or attempting breakaways might result in me going down in a blaze of glory.”



Mark Swartzendruber (Verizon Wireless; 40+): “I coasted across the line with my hand up gesturing to the officials and said, ‘Did you see that?’”



Criterium photos
Surviving in America



Road race reports
Debbie Dust (PACT/Dish Network; W-1/2/3): “‘I’m not happy because I was not beaten. I got screwed.”



Joey Iuliano (Purdue; 1/2): “The field soft pedaled the headwind, so any amount of effort generally got you a gap.”



Adam Leibman (ABD; 3): “I couldn’t help but wonder if the unusually slow and cordial finish was a show of camaraderie or simply a display of pure exhaustion.”



Mark Swartzendruber (Verizon Wireless; 40+): “Brilliant.  I’m in a move with the three fastest finishers in the race.”

Comments

1.

Sep 29
2009

11:39 am

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

Mark Swartzendruber (Verizon Wireless; 40+): “I coasted across the line with my hand up gesturing to the officials and said, ‘Did you see that?’”

No I think you coasted across the line crying and complaining like a 6th grader and not a seasoned rider.

Now from your blog:
For the record, I never lodged a protest with the officials.  When asked by them if R. Kelly’s sudden chop to the left impeded my finish I told them the truth, “yes”.

No sir. You came up to the officials after the race and continued that whining of yours. You did lodge a protest whether it be formal or informal. I among others were standing right there. Both of your statements from above contradict each other. I sat there watching a 40+ race that was turned into a forum for one to show off their lobbying skills. Please just grow up and ride the bike man. I am sorry however to R. Kelley the Bicycle Heaven rider who had lost his win. It is disappointing that this could not have been settled in a more professional manner. Even the tone in the protesters voice was disgusting. Next time try to put more energy into the challenge on the bike and not the challenge off of it.

2.

Sep 29
2009

11:59 am

Tim Speciale (PSIMET Racing)

Yeah,

Far too much drama for me.  Well, the wrong kind of drama.

Next weekend is going to kick ass. Luke, you continue to kick ass. 

Is it March yet?

-Tim

3.

Sep 29
2009

12:25 pm

zens (Rhythm Racing)

cant we all just get along?

4.

Sep 29
2009

1:13 pm

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (Burnham Racing)

Anonymous commentators are anonymous.

5.

Sep 29
2009

1:18 pm

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (Unattached)

systemeizer you’ve got it all wrong.  He might have protested but he didn’t “protest”. See the difference?  Wait, let me put this a different way… He didn’t, you know, tell the officials he was upset.  Rather, he just let them know how he felt.  Because feelings are important.  Wait a minute…

In that picture, he’s actually got his hand in the air trying to attract the beer vendor. And, “did you see that?” was actually a way of letting the officials know that his hand was up because the beer vendor was ignoring him.

Regardless of all that nonsense (and my nonsense on top of it), the Fall Fling continues to be a blast.  Too bad that more folks don’t come out to race it.

6.

Sep 29
2009

1:25 pm

Tim Speciale (PSIMET Racing)

It’s also a shame that people can’t follow the yellow line rule in road races.

7.

Sep 29
2009

1:32 pm

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (Unattached)

Oddly enough, yellow line enforcement at the FF the last two years has been more stringent than anywhere I’ve raced.  Last year they yanked the “double” points from the entire Cat 4 field because of blatant yellow line violations, and this year they disqualified several people.

8.

Sep 29
2009

1:42 pm

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (Project 5)

I am sure that Kelley didn’t even know he was doing anything wrong.  I am sure he just started racing recently and didn’t understand that he should hold his line during a sprint, as swerving in front of his competitor is not only dangerous, but unfair to his competitor.  Maybe someone should have just sat him down and spoken with him to explain this, instead of relegating him.  I know that I have had the same types of conversations with my children as they were growing up and didn’t know any better.  You have it so right, systemeizer.  The reason why Kelley didn’t win the race is because someone complained.  It was not because he did something dangerous enough to have a rule written about it.  Personal accountability is so 1980s…

9.

Sep 29
2009

2:30 pm

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psimet (PSIMET - hell on wheels.)

I like how the relegation occured while Kelley was out busting his butt in the 1/2/3 race.  Classy.

Watching the sprint 1st hand in great position to where Rob dropped Swartzendruber - if there was movement there was also a huge gap. 

Check the pictures for the distance from the wheels to the yellow line and see who actually changed their line.

10.

Sep 29
2009

2:46 pm

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

Our we forgetting that they were SPRINTING for a win in a RACE? It’s a shame that this was not realized by all parties involved and a good victory had to be taken away from the superior rider.

11.

Sep 29
2009

2:50 pm

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Luke Seemann (XXX Racing-AthletiCo)

@psimet FWIW, there were two yellow lines. The yellow line in the first picture above is not the same yellow line in the next two.

Larger, uncropped photos (and a frame I didn’t include above) are available here.

12.

Sep 29
2009

2:59 pm

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Luke Seemann (XXX Racing-AthletiCo)

@zippy Are we also forgetting that irregular SPRINTING in a RACE sometimes has CONSEQUENCES?

13.

Sep 29
2009

3:21 pm

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psimet (PSIMET - hell on wheels.)

@Luke…this sprint was nothing like the hack cat 3 one.  There were basically 2 people sprinting and there was a gap.  The man was beat.

...granted it was a 1/2/3 race but if they start relagating for allegations of movement by 1 rider during the final sprint….well I guess we’re going to have to relegate the entire cat 4 field during the sprint on Sunday.

This one’s sour grapes all the way.  No matter how you look at it.  That is all.

14.

Sep 29
2009

3:39 pm

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Luke Seemann (XXX Racing-AthletiCo)

There may very well have been a gap, and Swartzendruber may very well have flinched unnecessarily. The photos are inconclusive. I link to that video to remind people why this particular rule exists. It’s not like the relegation was for crumpling a race number.

And I would be all for stricter enforcement in the lower categories. Strike an entire bunch if need be. How else will people learn that these rules exist? Not everyone is enlightened enough to read CBR.

15.

Sep 29
2009

3:41 pm

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (ABD)

I didn’t see the finish, and prior to this moment, the name “R.Kelly” brought things to mind that were far from cycling…  but more importantly, the question I’d like to pose is this:

If R.Kelly had pulled a G.Brown and chopped M.Druber ever so slightly earlier, causing something like this: http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fti528ejmdBj/610x.jpg  Would we even be having his conversation?  No.  M.Druber would have a broken collarbone, three missing teeth, and a bottle of narcotics alongside his whopping $50 payout check for winning the silly bike race.

Yep, R.Kelly probably would have outsprinted M.Druber without chopping him.  Does it matter?  Not to me.  Maybe this lesson will stop him from chopping and hurting someone else in the future (e.g. ME).

Besides, there are three important things to keep in mind here.  1) This is the FALL FLING…Not the masters world championships.  2)  I don’t care what race it is, crashing just isn’t worth it.  3) Beating M.Druber in a sprint is about as difficult as eating a slice of lemon meringue pie.

Peace

16.

Sep 29
2009

3:54 pm

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (Unattached)

The real tragedy that people keep ignoring here is that the organizers had cake.  And they told us Cat4’s about the cake prior to the race.  Then, in a move that can only be considered greedy, they offered not one cake prime.

I am a Cat4.  I have no delusions of success. I will sprint for cake.

They shouldn’t taunt us like that.

17.

Sep 29
2009

3:57 pm

Tim Speciale (PSIMET Racing)

We have angels on our side. Look at our jersey’s.

Just sayin.

Hmm. I don’t know what happened. I was at McDonalds at the time, because that’s my standard recovery meal.

18.

Sep 29
2009

4:35 pm

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psimet (PSIMET - hell on wheels.)

BWAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahaaaaa…..that was no chop.  Hard to chop a guy who’s 6 ft off your wheel.

1) This is the FALL FLING…Not the masters world championships.  2) I don’t care what race it is, if you get beat…you get beat.  No sense crying about it.  3) It was birthday cake…not lemon meringue pie.

....and we still didn’t get our prime…

19.

Sep 29
2009

4:37 pm

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psimet (PSIMET - hell on wheels.)

I’d like to point out that I even have the “WTF” look on my face in the picture Luke posted as a “WTF is he yelling about?  That he got beat?”

That’s all the proof anyone needs… :D

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahahahahaha.

20.

Sep 29
2009

7:50 pm

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

The sad thing is that if the roles were reversed between the two the outcome would have been different by the judges. Just sayin….

21.

Sep 29
2009

7:51 pm

Chumper (xXx Racing-AthletiCo)

How can you make it to Cat 1 and not know to sprint in a straight line?  Or be surprised when someone takes offense with your wondering back and forth?  This reminds me of a certain Boy Racer who got relegated at some race in France.  He had a similar boyish reaction.  A sporting statement was stamped out on the pedals the very next day by some big man.  Boy Racer was even more unhappy. 

Please teach us lower category racers by setting better examples of good sportsmanship.

22.

Sep 30
2009

3:49 pm

Tim Speciale (PSIMET Racing)

Another important point in all of this.

ABD, great event.  But can we get something other than silver tape for the finish lines?

Lets say hypothetically that my teammate was all over the road like 16 year old on his first day with a drivers license, maybe he was really just searching for that finish line that no one could see.

Think about it.

23.

Sep 30
2009

6:55 pm

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

I watched the Druber issue. Let’s be honest here .... There were 3 lanes to race in and they were about 6 foot apart side to side with an over lap of a wheel in distance. Druber was just powering up as the other guy swung in front of him powering up, then druber powered down. No reason in the world to cut the other rider off. It was clear, rude and wrong. Maybe Druber could have kept powering and went around but, name me one who has been cut off and can double down.

Had there been a crash then what would everyone say about the guy in blue who took the line away???? How about calling him a winnie because he couldn’t keep a straight line? Maybe he knew he didn’t have the power and druber would?

24.

Sep 30
2009

10:21 pm

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.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (Scarletfire Racing)

To all who chimed in on “Druber v. R. Kelly:

I have no allusions that I would have out sprinted Rob.  Rob is a great racer and a faster finisher than I. I have the utmost respect for his ability to make a bike go fast at the end of a race. It is for this reason that I attacked the break with 10 min left to race and the reason I attacked a second time with about a kilo left to race. It was my only chance to win the race but Robo and Rob did a great effort to get back in contact after the first attack and Rob was immediately on me after the second attack.

As a result, I was then forced to lead out the final against Rob, and in that situation he’ll beat me 11 or 12 times out of 10. 

So, it wasn’t a question in my mind who would win from that point. But, as it played out, Rob came across my line suddenly and immediately after he passed me which forced me to hit my brakes and stop racing with roughly 150 to go. Had Rob stayed to the right, there is no question that he would have remained in front.  My gesture of complaint was not that he “beat” me. I already knew second was the best I would do in that situation.

I may be insane but not delusional.  My gesture of complaint was that he - I’m sure unintentionally - crossed my line and forced me to stop racing, which was dangerous and unnecessary and a violation. 

I’ve spent a long number of years as 2nd or final lead out many a fast sprinter and I am well familiar with the dynamics of sprints so a bump or a grind is no big thing but a dramatic wheel cross at speed is, thus the issue arose.  Had the officials seen it differently I would have respected their judgment. As it happened, they saw the same thing I saw.  To be honest the ABR officials are not exactly hard headed sticklers looking to deek riders for minor rule violations.

No sour grapes, no lobbying, no personal animosity, no shame in “getting beat”...and yes John Meyers, beating me in a sprint is in fact easier than eating a piece of pie. Unless it’s minced meat pie or a chicken liver pot pie neither of which are fun or easy.

And to the anonymous guy…Man up and put a real name on your posts.

25.

Oct 1
2009

10:17 am

Ebert (Verizon p/b ABD)

@Cat 4’s: You want cake? You got cake….

@Druber, Kelly, Meyers: How about a pie eating contest after the race?

@TimSpeciale: duly noted. We had a blue line on Sunday and will have the same this weekend.

@everyone: Thanks for joining us. Looking forward to this weekend.

26.

Oct 1
2009

11:36 am

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (Unattached)

Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake!

I love the Fling!

27.

Oct 1
2009

1:21 pm

Tim Speciale (PSIMET Racing)

Ebert,

I didn’t notice the blue line Sunday. I was more concerned with all the schmucks who ignored the yellow line rule.

Since you’re taking requests, for future road races, maybe we can have a laser that zaps people who cross non-existent yellow lines. That would be sweet.

28.

Oct 1
2009

1:26 pm

Tim Speciale (PSIMET Racing)

Oh, and if there actually happens to be yellow painted lines and people cross that, a laser isn’t enough. For this, we should probably deck their bikes out with mirrors and reflectors.

29.

Oct 1
2009

7:52 pm

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psimet (PSIMET - hell on wheels.)

Tim-the on-coming traffic will Eventually take care of that. I am fairly Darwinistic in life and racing is no different.

...that is as long as the on-coming car doesn’t change it’s line.

Where’s my cake?

30.

Oct 1
2009

9:10 pm

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Luke Seemann (XXX Racing-AthletiCo)

Not a joking matter around these parts. Tread carefully, Rob.

31.

Oct 2
2009

12:41 am

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psimet (PSIMET - hell on wheels.)

Wasn’t a joke Luke. 

Sadly most newcomers don’t understand why the yellow line rule exists until they know someone who gets killed by violating it.

32.

Oct 2
2009

7:57 am

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Luke Seemann (XXX Racing-AthletiCo)

Very well. Still strikes me as about the most tasteless statement ever posted here. Suffice to say that if there is ever another tragedy involving oncoming traffic, I will not be sharing your Shadenfreude.

33.

Oct 2
2009

9:31 am

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (Tati)

Tread lightly on this one.  Yellow line or not, car vs bike accidents happen.  Anybody that’s been in this sport for more than a half dozen years probably knows at least one personally.  XXX has three or four initials they wear on their sleeves, Luke posted the link for a recent local one.  Rahsaan Bahati had a blog post about one a few months ago:

http://bahatiracing.com/blogengine.net/post/2009/06/This-hurts-to-Read.aspx

I only wish that they kept the pictures up of a college girl back home that literally broke her neck and got her face rearranged:  http://www.interlakescycling.com/2007_01_01_archive.html

Even without crossing yellow it can happen to anybody, even a multi-year state champion and top 20 nationals rider:
http://www.gvccracing.com/jondechau.html

As the “experienced” riders in a sport that is growing we need to remind our team-mates.  As race organizers and officials we need to suspend individuals for repeated violations or dq entire fields if that’s what it takes.  The least you can do is prevent the “easy” ones when one of us cross the yellow line and break the rules that are set up to keep everybody safe.  Because if people get hit it affects more than just the individual under the bus. It hurts our entire sport. Chances are the supporters are going to find a “less dangerous” sport and the town officials we have to go to for races aren’t going to want that happening in their backyard.

34.

Oct 2
2009

10:23 am

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (Project 5)

This thread is getting ridiculous!

I can’t believe some of the comments I am seeing.

People die as a result of this rule being ignored and even sometimes when it is followed . The leaving it to Darwinism comment was pretty disrespectful to the families/team mates/friends that have had to face this reality.

35.

Oct 2
2009

11:03 am

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psimet (PSIMET - hell on wheels.)

Take a moment to get to know me guys and you’ll gain an appreciation for the tone I was using in that post. 

Some of you would then find out that I have an *extreme* distaste for anyone who violates yellow line rules because of the number of people I have known who have gotten hurt, injured, and/or killed either from yellow line violations or simply car/bike incidents.

Most of you who have been around the sport in this area for many years probably remember Mike Kalan.  A co-worker and friend of mine who was pretty big on the mtb and cross scene here years back.  He was struck and killed by a car soon after getting transfered to Portland leaving his young wife and two small children without a father….the week they moved out there.

If you don’t like the “darwin” flavor my post took then that’s your perogative but to assume that it means I want to see people get hit…then you simply don’t know me.

The fact is that in this area for road races (most likely because we just don’t do them enough) the yellow line enforcement is not effective.  Yelling and educating from the pack doesn’t seem to work either.  For most of these guys they will continue to willfully violate it until they have been in the sport long enough to know someone who has been struck or end up in that position themselves.

36.

Oct 2
2009

5:28 pm

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Luke Seemann (XXX Racing-AthletiCo)

And I’ll let the thread expire with that.

Let’s race, friends, and race safely, something I think we all agree we want to do.

 

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